ClaimsJeremy Grantham

“I would still guess (a well-informed guess, I hope) that before next year is out, the market will drop painfully from current levels.”

Jeremy Grantham, GMO letter author October 2009 Jeremy Grantham GMO letter 3Q 2009: Just Desserts and Markets Being Silly Again (Scribd)

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Prediction Economics and markets

Grantham guessed that before the end of 2010 the US market would fall painfully (which he defined as at least 15%) from its October 2009 levels.

Unresolvable The public record could not settle it.

Prediction: Statements about events outside the person's control, checked once they fell due: did they come true?

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What would count as true or false

Judged at 2010-12-31. Reference level: the S&P 500 level at the date of the letter in October 2009 (if no exact date, the average October 2009 close). True: the S&P 500 closed at or below 85% of the reference level (a fall of at least 15%) on at least one day between the letter and 31 December 2010. Mostly true: a fall of at least 15% occurred on an intraday basis only, or the closing decline was at least 14.5%. Mostly false: the largest decline from the reference level was 10% to 14.5%, or a fall of at least 15% came only after 2010. False: the index never fell more than 10% below the reference level during the period.

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Evidence (7)

  1. E1 S&P 500 Return in 2010: +12.8% (+15.1% with Dividends) historyofmarket.com

    “The highest close of the year was 1,259.78 on December 29, 2010; the lowest was 1,022.58 on July 2, 2010.”
  2. E2 S&P 500 Return in 2010: +12.8% (+15.1% with Dividends) historyofmarket.com

    “The deepest fall from a peak within the year was −16.0%, bottoming on July 2, 2010.”
  3. E3 Sandp 500 Lowest Price 2010 | StatMuse Money StatMuse

    “The lowest closing price for the S&P 500 (GSPC) in 2010 was $1,022.58, on July 2, 2010.”
  4. E4 Standard & Poor's 500 Index History fedprimerate.com

    “| July 2, 2010 | 1,022.58 |”
  5. E5 Stocks tumble on recovery jitters, financials IBTimes (Reuters story) · 30 October 2009

    “The Standard & Poor's 500 Index <.SPX> tumbled 29.92 points, or 2.81 percent, to 1,036.19.”
  6. E6 Stocks mixed on last day of year NBC News (AP) · 31 December 2010

    “The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 0.24 to 1,257.64, but still finished with its best December gain since 1991, up 6.5 percent.”
  7. E7 Stocks mixed on last day of year NBC News (AP) · 31 December 2010

    “The Dow fell 14 percent from a high of 11,205.03 on April 26 to its low of 9,686.48 on July 2.”

Reasoning

The evidence gives the lowest 2010 close (1,022.58 on 2 July 2010) [E1][E3] and S&P 500 levels for only two days in October 2009 [E5]. It gives neither the letter's date, the average October 2009 close nor any closes from November–December 2009, so the size of the largest fall from the reference level cannot be established under the criteria.

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Jeremy Grantham, “Grantham guessed that before the end of 2010 the US market would fall painfully (which he defined as at least 15%) from its October 2009 levels.” (said October 2009). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_c7b612a130bb, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_c7b612a130bb

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