ClaimsJeremy Grantham

“I would still put odds of 45% (down from 50% last quarter) for the market to rise to over 1400 (down from 1500 to 1600 last quarter) by October of next year, accompanied by a speculative spin.”

Jeremy Grantham, GMO essay author July 2010 GMO Quarterly Letter July 2010 Summer Essays (GMO) archived copy

Prediction Economics and markets

There is a 45% chance the market (S&P 500) rises to over 1400 by October 2011, accompanied by a speculative spin.

Mixed Partly true and partly false in roughly equal measure.

Prediction: Statements about events outside the person's control, checked once they fell due: did they come true?

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What would count as true or false

The claim gives a probability, so a single outcome cannot prove or disprove it outright. It leans slightly against the event (45%), so it is judged as a forecast that the event is somewhat less likely than not. The event is: the S&P 500 rises above 1400, on a close or intraday high, at any point between July 2010 and 31 October 2011, AND contemporary commentary describes the rally as speculative or bubble-like. Verdicts: MOSTLY TRUE if the S&P 500 never exceeded 1400 by 31 October 2011, since that matches the forecast's lean; it is not TRUE, because a 45% forecast cannot be confirmed outright. MIXED if the index exceeded 1400 by the deadline but without a recognisable speculative spin (only half of the joint event happened), or if it came within about 2% of 1400 by the deadline. MOSTLY FALSE if the index exceeded 1400 by 31 October 2011 with a speculative spin, since the forecast put that below even odds. Crossing 1400 only after 31 October 2011 counts as not happening by the deadline. TRUE and FALSE are not available for this probabilistic claim.

Set before the research began.

Evidence (2)

  1. E1 The 10% Correction Has Arrived (DIA, SPY, QQQ) 24/7 Wall St. · 4 August 2011

    “The S&P 500 Index (NYSE: SPY) peak was 1,370.58 and a 10% correction would be at or under 1,233.52.”
  2. E2 Grantham Gets Comfortable Living Within the Bubble CBS News · 2 February 2011

    “he expresses near certainty that if a market worth 900 goes as high as 1,500, it must be in a bubble.”

Reasoning

E1, dated 4 August 2011, puts the S&P 500's peak at 1,370.58 and says the index had then fallen into a 10% correction. That peak is about 2.1% below 1400, which fits the criteria's "came within about 2% of 1400" condition for MIXED. No evidence shows the index going above 1400 between July 2010 and October 2011, but nothing covers August to October 2011 directly either, so the verdict rests on the near-miss. E2 records only Grantham's general view on bubbles and does not bear on the outcome.

Cite this claim

Jeremy Grantham, “There is a 45% chance the market (S&P 500) rises to over 1400 by October 2011, accompanied by a speculative spin.” (said July 2010). Verdict: mixed. Reliability API, claim c_1441a1d5fa58, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_1441a1d5fa58

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