ClaimsJeremy Grantham

“a contender for the highest priced”

Jeremy Grantham, interviewed 28 July 2025 Jeremy Grantham: Navigating Bubble-Land (The Acquirer's Multiple)

Factual Economics and markets

U.S. equities are a contender for the highest priced in history.

Unresolvable The public record could not settle it.

Factual: Statements about the present or the past, checked against the record: did they hold up?

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What would count as true or false

Use standard U.S. equity valuation measures (Shiller CAPE, trailing or forward P/E, price to sales, market cap to GDP, Tobin's q) as of late July 2025. True: at least one widely used measure was at a record high, or among the top two or three readings in history (for example within about 10% of the all-time peak, such as 2000), so that the market can fairly be called a contender. Mostly true: the measures are around the top 5% of history but somewhat further from the record. Mixed: one measure is near a record while most are well below their peaks. Mostly false: the measures are high but clearly below past peaks by more than about 20%. False: valuations were near or below their historical averages.

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Evidence (3)

  1. E1 The stock market just blew through Warren Buffett’s favorite danger signal | Fortune Fortune · 25 July 2025

    “The valuation of the Wilshire 5000—which hit a record high on July 23—is now somewhere north of 212% of U.S. GDP, the “Buffett Indicator” shows.”
  2. E2 Stocks have literally never been this expensive | CNN Business CNN · 2 September 2025

    “The S&P 500 on August 12 traded at 3.25 times sales, that metric’s highest level ever, according to FactSet data.”
  3. E3 Stocks have literally never been this expensive | CNN Business CNN · 2 September 2025

    “Not all metrics indicate record high valuations. The S&P 500’s forward price to earnings ratio, a popular measure of valuation, is elevated but not at all-time highs.”

Reasoning

The evidence shows the Buffett Indicator above 212% of GDP in late July 2025 but does not say whether that was a record or how close it was to past peaks [E1], and it shows a record price-to-sales reading only on 12 August, with no late-July reading [E2]; forward P/E was not at an all-time high [E3]. The evidence therefore does not show any standard measure at or near its record as of late July.

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Jeremy Grantham, “U.S. equities are a contender for the highest priced in history.” (said 28 July 2025). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_def041cdbbde, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_def041cdbbde

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  3. Mostly true Factual 28 July 2025
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  4. Mostly true Factual 5 July 2023
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    Since ChatGPT and October-November 2022, there has been a new little flurry of market interest in AI that is very concentrated.

  5. Mixed Factual January 2023
    “in 1974 the market did turn up, after a horrific 62% real decline in two years, exactly”

    In 1974 the US market turned up, after a 62% real decline over two years, exactly as the first Fed rate cut took place.

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