The richest 1% of people in 2019 are not quite the same individuals as the richest 1% of 2009.
Mostly true True in substance, wrong in a detail.
Factual: Statements about the present or the past, checked against the record: did they hold up?
What would count as true or false
Judged as of 2019-12-29. The claim is hedged ('not quite the same'): it says the membership of the top 1% of wealth (or income) in 2019 differed meaningfully from 2009. True: wealth or income mobility data (panel studies, tax-record studies, or rich-list turnover such as Forbes 400 or Bloomberg) show substantial turnover, meaning a non-trivial share of 2009's top 1% were no longer in the top 1% by around 2019. Mostly true: turnover is documented but the data cover a nearby period or a proxy (e.g. top 400 rather than the top 1%), or are for one country only. Mixed: evidence is split, e.g. high turnover in income but near-complete persistence in wealth. Mostly false: the evidence shows membership is almost entirely persistent and turnover is negligible, with only a small fringe changing. False: the evidence shows the two groups are essentially identical.
Set before the research began.
Evidence (4)
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E1 DavidSplinter.com DavidSplinter.com (personal research site of economist David Splinter)
“After a decade, two-thirds of those who started in the top 1% are no longer there.”
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E2 Our top 1% of income earners is an increasingly entrenched elite Phys.org (republished from The Conversation) · 4 November 2021
“For example, 64% of people in the top 1% in 1991 were still in the top 1% a year later.”
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E3 Tossed and Turned: Wealth Dynamics of U.S. Households 2007-2009 Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (FEDS working paper) · 7 November 2011
“Of those who were present in the Forbes list in 2007, 61 (15.3 percent) were no longer present in 2009 (11 of them had died)”
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E4 The characteristics and incomes of the top 1% | Institute for Fiscal Studies Institute for Fiscal Studies · 6 August 2019
“on average around 10,000 (1.1%) were in the top 1% in any given year between 2000–01 and 2015–16, but three times as many (i.e. 31,000, or 3.4%) had been in the top 1% at some point over that period.”
Reasoning
E1 says that, after a decade, two-thirds of people who started in the top 1% are no longer there. That is substantial ten-year turnover, but the quote does not say it covers 2009–2019. In UK tax data, E4 finds that about three times as many people were in the top 1% at some point between 2000–01 and 2015–16 as in any single year. E2 reports that 64% of people in the top 1% in 1991 were still in the top 1% a year later. E3 shows 15.3% of the Forbes 400 list changed between 2007 and 2009. The evidence consistently shows meaningful turnover, but it covers nearby periods, income rather than wealth, or a rich-list proxy, not 2009 to 2019 itself. That fits the criteria for mostly true.
Cite this claim
Nassim Taleb, “The richest 1% of people in 2019 are not quite the same individuals as the richest 1% of 2009.” (said 29 December 2019). Verdict: mostly true. Reliability API, claim c_b3447f3f424e, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_b3447f3f424e
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