FiveThirtyEight's forecast gave Trump only a 20 percent chance of winning given his polling numbers at the time of the second debate.
Unresolvable The public record could not settle it.
Factual: Statements about the present or the past, checked against the record: did they hold up?
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What would count as true or false
Find FiveThirtyEight's 2016 presidential forecast for Trump's chance of winning at the point the claim refers to: his polling around the second debate (2016-10-09), or the numbers the article refers to. TRUE: the forecast (polls-only or polls-plus, whichever the article uses) gave Trump about 20%, meaning about 17–23%. MOSTLY TRUE: one of the main FiveThirtyEight models was in that range while the other was a few points outside it, or the figure was 15–16% or 24–25%. MOSTLY FALSE: FiveThirtyEight's models gave Trump a chance clearly outside that range but still a minority chance (e.g. 10–14% or 26–35%). FALSE: the forecast at that time was far from 20% (below 10% or above 35%).
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Evidence (4)
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E1 Uncertainty and symmetry in the US elections | Stats Chat Stats Chat (blog by Thomas Lumley, University of Auckland) · 29 October 2016
“Nate Silver’s predictions at 538 give Donald Trump a much higher chance of winning the election than anyone else’s: at the time of writing, 20% vs 8% from the Upshot, 5% from Daily Kos, or 1% from Sam Wang at the Princeton Election Consortium.”
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E2 A Coalition of All Democratic Forces, Part III: What If Trump Wins? Lawfare · 18 January 2023
“If you believe the FiveThirtyEight electoral forecast, Donald Trump has only between a 14- and 16-percent chance of becoming president.”
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E3 Grading The 2016 Election Forecasts BuzzFeed News · 29 November 2016
“FiveThirtyEight — “polls-only” and “polls-plus” (29% and 28%, respectively)”
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E4 Election Probabilities Made Clear | RealClearPolitics RealClearPolitics · 13 October 2016
“Heading into the first debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump had a 45.2 percent chance of winning the White House, according to the FiveThirtyEight model. He now has a 16.5 percent chance.”
Reasoning
The closest dated figure is FiveThirtyEight's 16.5% on 2016-10-13 [E4]. It falls between the criteria's 17–23% and 15–16% bands and is from two days after the claim. No evidence item gives the forecast for 2016-10-09 to 2016-10-11: E1 is from late October and E2 gives no date for its figure.
Cite this claim
Nate Silver, “FiveThirtyEight's forecast gave Trump only a 20 percent chance of winning given his polling numbers at the time of the second debate.” (said 11 October 2016). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_178fd348d5c3, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_178fd348d5c3
This claim is in dataset release v1.1.2, with the same verdict.
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Mostly true
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