ClaimsNate Silver

“Our forecast gave him only a 20 percent chance to win with numbers like those.”

Nate Silver, FiveThirtyEight founder, interview answer 11 October 2016 Nate Silver On Why FiveThirtyEight Forecasts A Clinton Win (WBEZ Chicago) archived copy

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FiveThirtyEight's forecast gave Trump only a 20 percent chance of winning given his polling numbers at the time of the second debate.

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What would count as true or false

Find FiveThirtyEight's 2016 presidential forecast for Trump's chance of winning at the point the claim refers to: his polling around the second debate (2016-10-09), or the numbers the article refers to. TRUE: the forecast (polls-only or polls-plus, whichever the article uses) gave Trump about 20%, meaning about 17–23%. MOSTLY TRUE: one of the main FiveThirtyEight models was in that range while the other was a few points outside it, or the figure was 15–16% or 24–25%. MOSTLY FALSE: FiveThirtyEight's models gave Trump a chance clearly outside that range but still a minority chance (e.g. 10–14% or 26–35%). FALSE: the forecast at that time was far from 20% (below 10% or above 35%).

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Evidence (4)

  1. E1 Uncertainty and symmetry in the US elections | Stats Chat Stats Chat (blog by Thomas Lumley, University of Auckland) · 29 October 2016

    “Nate Silver’s predictions at 538 give Donald Trump a much higher chance of winning the election than anyone else’s: at the time of writing, 20% vs 8% from the Upshot, 5% from Daily Kos, or 1% from Sam Wang at the Princeton Election Consortium.”
  2. E2 A Coalition of All Democratic Forces, Part III: What If Trump Wins? Lawfare · 18 January 2023

    “If you believe the FiveThirtyEight electoral forecast, Donald Trump has only between a 14- and 16-percent chance of becoming president.”
  3. E3 Grading The 2016 Election Forecasts BuzzFeed News · 29 November 2016

    “FiveThirtyEight — “polls-only” and “polls-plus” (29% and 28%, respectively)”
  4. E4 Election Probabilities Made Clear | RealClearPolitics RealClearPolitics · 13 October 2016

    “Heading into the first debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump had a 45.2 percent chance of winning the White House, according to the FiveThirtyEight model. He now has a 16.5 percent chance.”

Reasoning

The closest dated figure is FiveThirtyEight's 16.5% on 2016-10-13 [E4]. It falls between the criteria's 17–23% and 15–16% bands and is from two days after the claim. No evidence item gives the forecast for 2016-10-09 to 2016-10-11: E1 is from late October and E2 gives no date for its figure.

Cite this claim

Nate Silver, “FiveThirtyEight's forecast gave Trump only a 20 percent chance of winning given his polling numbers at the time of the second debate.” (said 11 October 2016). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_178fd348d5c3, method 0.1.0+28da144b, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_178fd348d5c3

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