ClaimsEliezer Yudkowsky

“First of all, you realize in principle that the task of minimizing losses on predicting human text does not stop when you’re as smart as a human, right?”

Eliezer Yudkowsky, interviewee 6 April 2023 Eliezer Yudkowsky - Why AI Will Kill Us, Aligning LLMs, Nature of Intelligence, SciFi, & Rationality (Dwarkesh Podcast) archived copy

Factual AI capabilities

In principle, the task of minimizing loss on predicting human text does not stop being improvable once a system is as smart as a human.

Mostly true True in substance, wrong in a detail.

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The second judge said resolved true; the verdict shown is the first judge's.

What would count as true or false

Judge as a conceptual/technical claim as of 2023-04-06. True: the evidence (ML theory or expert explanation) shows that loss on predicting human-generated text can in principle keep falling beyond human-level ability, for example because predicting text well needs more than the ability of the humans who wrote it, and the irreducible entropy floor sits below what human-level prediction reaches. Mostly true: this holds broadly, with minor caveats (e.g. diminishing returns, an entropy floor). Mixed: experts are seriously split, or the claim holds only in narrow senses. Mostly false: the evidence shows improvement past human level is very limited or mostly blocked by the entropy floor, though not ruled out. False: the evidence establishes that loss minimization on human text stops improving at roughly human-level capability.

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Evidence (4)

  1. E1 Language Models Are Better Than Humans at Next-token Prediction arXiv (ar5iv rendering)

    “In both experiments, we find humans to be consistently worse than relatively small language models like GPT-Neo-1.3B or GPT-2-large at next-token prediction.”
  2. E2 Language Models Are Better Than Humans at Next-token Prediction arXiv (ar5iv rendering)

    “Additionally, predicting the next token on OpenWebText sometimes requires very broad knowledge that may require an amount of memory that may exceed human limits.”
  3. E3 Why Yudkowsky Is Wrong And What He Does Can Be More Dangerous — LessWrong LessWrong Own record

    “Accurately predicting human text is much harder than just writing stuff on the internet. If GPT were to perfect the skill it is being trained on, it would have to be much smarter than a human!”
  4. E4 Why Yudkowsky Is Wrong And What He Does Can Be More Dangerous — LessWrong LessWrong · 6 June 2023 Own record

    “It's impossible for them to exceed the bounds of human knowledge and expertise, as they're inherently limited by the information they've been exposed to.”

Reasoning

An independent experimental study, published in December 2022 before the claim date, found humans consistently worse than small language models such as GPT-2-large at next-token prediction (E1). This shows that loss on human text can be pushed below the human level. The same paper gives a reason: predicting the next token can require knowledge and memory beyond human limits (E2). None of the evidence measures where the entropy floor sits. E4 states a contrary view as an opinion without data in the quoted text, and the experimental evidence supports the claim broadly, with minor caveats.

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Eliezer Yudkowsky, “In principle, the task of minimizing loss on predicting human text does not stop being improvable once a system is as smart as a human.” (said 6 April 2023). Verdict: mostly true. Reliability API, claim c_e1072c46d79c, method 0.1.0+c876030c, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_e1072c46d79c

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  2. Mostly true Factual 25 March 2024
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  3. Mostly true Factual 30 March 2023
    “Transformers are the main thing like that.”

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  4. Mostly true Factual 30 March 2023
    “Because the basic paradigm of machine learning that we are presently operating under is that you can have the loss function, but only for things you can evaluate.”

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  5. Mostly true Factual 30 March 2023
    “So 60 years later, we’re making progress on a bunch of that, thankfully not yet improved themselves.”

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