ClaimsRay Dalio

“Now, we see that we have a debtor-creditor relationship, not just a trade relationship, and that can be a dangerous thing.”

Ray Dalio, Bridgewater founder, interviewee 16 August 2019 CNBC Transcript: Ray Dalio, Founder, Bridgewater Associates - Part I (CNBC)

Factual Economics and markets

The US and China have a debtor-creditor relationship, not just a trade relationship.

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What would count as true or false

The claim is that the US and China have a debtor-creditor relationship, not just a trade relationship, as of 2019-08-16. True: US Treasury TIC data or comparable sources show China holding large US debt (around $1 trillion in Treasuries) and the US as a net debtor to China. Mostly true: the relationship is real, with a minor imprecision (for example China not the largest holder at that moment). Mixed: Chinese holdings of US debt are small relative to the trade relationship. Mostly false: China holds negligible US debt. False: there is no debtor-creditor relationship, or China is the net debtor to the US.

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Evidence (4)

  1. E1 Preliminary Report on Foreign Holdings of U.S. Securities at End-June 2019 U.S. Department of the Treasury · 28 February 2020

    “5 | China, mainland (2) | 1,544 | 190 | 225 | 1,125 | 4 |”
  2. E2 Japan surpasses China as largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasurys CNBC · 15 August 2019

    “Japan now holds $1.12 trillion Treasurys, and China has $1.11 trillion, a $2 billion increase from the month earlier, according to U.S. Treasury department data.”
  3. E3 Charts of the Day: China Unseated as Largest Foreign Holder of U.S. Debt Caixin Global · 16 August 2019

    “China’s hoard of U.S. Treasury bonds, bills and notes grew by $2.3 billion to $1.11 trillion in June”
  4. E4 US Treasury securities are the largest ... Congressional Research Service (congress.gov) · 15 January 2021

    “China's share of total foreign holdings of U.S. securities stood at 8% in 2019, down from its all-time high of 15% in 2009.”

Reasoning

Contemporaneous reports citing US Treasury data (E2, E3) show China held about $1.11 trillion in US Treasuries as of June 2019, and the Treasury's end-June 2019 survey (E1) lists mainland China with $1,544 billion in total US securities holdings. This meets the criteria's threshold of roughly $1 trillion in Treasury holdings, establishing a substantial debtor-creditor relationship. Japan had narrowly overtaken China as the largest holder (E2), but the claim does not assert China was the largest. E4 notes China's 8% share of foreign holdings, which does not negate the absolute size of the holdings.

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Ray Dalio, “The US and China have a debtor-creditor relationship, not just a trade relationship.” (said 16 August 2019). Verdict: resolved true. Reliability API, claim c_b94ad2122a4e, method 0.1.0+c876030c, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_b94ad2122a4e

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