ClaimsBill Ackman

“Imagine our archenemy drops poison gas on our country. The gas has infected 11.5m and killed 252k, or 1 out of every 45 so far.”

Bill Ackman, X post 17 November 2020 Post by @BillAckman on X, 2020-11-17 (X)

Factual Biosecurity

As of mid-November 2020, Covid had infected 11.5 million Americans and killed 252,000, about 1 in 45 of those infected.

Resolved true The record shows it happened or was so.

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What would count as true or false

Judge against cumulative US Covid-19 figures reported around 17 November 2020 (counting reported confirmed cases as the measure of "infected", since that is the figure the claim uses). True: reported US confirmed cases were about 11.5 million (roughly 11.2–11.8m) and deaths about 252,000 (roughly 245k–259k) as of 16–17 November 2020, so deaths divided by cases is about 1 in 45 (anywhere from 1 in 43 to 1 in 47 counts). Mostly true: both figures are right in substance, but one is off by more than that tolerance and by no more than about 8%, or the ratio is slightly off (1 in 40 to 1 in 50). Mixed: one of the two headline figures matches and the other is off by more than 8%. Mostly false: both figures are materially off (more than 8%) but of the right order of magnitude, or they are figures from a clearly different date (for example a month earlier or later). False: the figures are wrong outright (for example global rather than US totals, or off by more than 25%). Undercounting of true infections does not make the claim false, because it plainly refers to reported counts.

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Evidence (2)

  1. E1 U.S. surpasses 250,000 deaths from COVID-19 as infections surge ABC27 (NEXSTAR) · 18 November 2020

    “The U.S. had 250,140 recorded deaths as of 7 p.m. EST, with a staggering 11,492,593 cases – the most in the world – according to Johns Hopkins University data.”
  2. E2 International update: Global Covid infections pass 56.3 million - US fatalities exceed quarter of a million Clinical Trials Arena · 19 November 2019

    “US: US Covid-19 infections have passed 11.5 million. The US coronavirus death toll has passed the quarter million mark at 250,537 according to researchers at Johns Hopkins University.”

Reasoning

E1, dated 18 November 2020, cites Johns Hopkins University data: 11,492,593 confirmed US cases and 250,140 deaths. Both figures fall within the tolerance bands in the criteria (11.2–11.8m cases and 245k–259k deaths). They give a ratio of about 1 in 46, which is inside the 1-in-43 to 1-in-47 range. E2 separately reports US infections above 11.5 million and 250,537 deaths, also from Johns Hopkins data, which supports the same picture.

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Bill Ackman, “As of mid-November 2020, Covid had infected 11.5 million Americans and killed 252,000, about 1 in 45 of those infected.” (said 17 November 2020). Verdict: resolved true. Reliability API, claim c_84a46bf03a3b, method 0.1.0+c876030c, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_84a46bf03a3b

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