Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Kevin McCarthy and James Mattis said Trump's proposed Muslim ban was wrong when he first proposed it.
Unresolvable The public record could not settle it.
Factual: Statements about the present or the past, checked against the record: did they hold up?
The second judge would not resolve this claim; the verdict shown is the first judge's.
What would count as true or false
Trump first proposed the ban in December 2015, and the claim has four parts, one for each named person. A person counts if dated public statements from around that time (December 2015 to early 2016, or Mattis's remarks once he was asked about it) show him criticising, rejecting or calling wrong the proposed Muslim ban. True: all four did so. Mostly true: three clearly did so, and the fourth made a weaker but still critical remark, or his remark came somewhat later than the first proposal. Mixed: about two of the four did so. Mostly false: only one did so, or the statements found were only mild distancing and not saying the ban was wrong. False: none of the four is documented as criticising the proposal, or the record shows they supported it.
Set before the research began.
Evidence (3)
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E1 White House Blasts Trump, Says Comments Should Bar Him From Being President - Roll Call Roll Call · 8 December 2015
““This is not conservatism,” Ryan said, addressing the remarks without naming Trump. “What was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly, it’s not what this country stands for.”
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E2 Vice President Mike Pence called a Muslim ban ‘offensive and unconstitutional’ a year ago New York Daily News · 28 January 2017
“But in December 2015 — long before he was named Trump’s running mate — Pence condemned his future boss’ initial call to close off the nation’s borders to all Muslim travelers, immigrants and refugees.”
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E3 Top Republicans denounced Trump’s Muslim ban on the trail. Now they support his executive order. Vox · 28 January 2017
““They think we’ve completely lost it,” Mattis said at the time. “This kind of thing is causing us great damage right now, and it’s sending shock waves through this international system.””
Reasoning
The evidence documents Ryan [E1] and Pence [E2] criticising the December 2015 proposal. Mattis's quoted remark [E3] is undated and refers to "this kind of thing" rather than the ban by name. No evidence item mentions Kevin McCarthy, so the evidence does not show three clear critics plus a weaker fourth, as the criteria require for this verdict.
Cite this claim
Sam Altman, “Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Kevin McCarthy and James Mattis said Trump's proposed Muslim ban was wrong when he first proposed it.” (said 2017). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_1f7a9f12bde1, method 0.1.0+c876030c, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_1f7a9f12bde1
This claim is in dataset release v1.1.2, with the same verdict.
Reply to this claim
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“In doing so, we should not demonize Trump voters—most of them voted for him for reasons other than the promise of a Muslim ban.”
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“The very end of 2015, we announced it, and then the first day of work was like January of 2016.”
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