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“It takes in about $5 trillion, so it spends 40% more than it takes in.”

Ray Dalio, interviewee · 9 May 2026 · Interesting Times: Ray Dalio's Theory of American Decline (Transcript) (Singju Post)

The US government takes in about $5 trillion and spends about $7 trillion, about 40% more than it takes in.

Mostly true True in substance, wrong in a detail.

What would count as true or false

Judge as of 2026-05-09 against the most recent completed US federal fiscal year (FY2025), or the current annualized figures if the claim clearly refers to those. The claim is that receipts are about $5 trillion, outlays are about $7 trillion, and spending exceeds revenue by about 40%. True: official receipts are $4.6-5.4 trillion, outlays are $6.5-7.5 trillion, and outlays exceed receipts by 35-45%. Mostly true: the dollar figures are within those ranges, but the excess is 30-34% or 46-50%. Mixed: one of the two dollar figures is outside its range, or the excess is 25-29% or 51-55%. Mostly false: the excess is 15-24% or 56-70%, while the dollar figures are roughly right. False: the figures are far off, with an excess below 15% or above 70%, or receipts or outlays wrong by more than about $1 trillion.

Evidence

1. Final Monthly Treasury Statement - U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Fiscal Service · 30 October 2026

   “This issue includes the final budget results and details a deficit of $1.775 trillion for Fiscal Year 2025.”

2. Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Receipts and Outlays of the United States Government, For Fiscal Year 2025 Through September 30, 2025, and Other Periods U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Fiscal Service

   “Fiscal Year 2025 to Date: $5,235B”

3. Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Receipts and Outlays of the United States Government, For Fiscal Year 2025 Through September 30, 2025, and Other Periods U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Fiscal Service

   “This issue includes the final budget results and details a deficit of $1.775 trillion for Fiscal Year 2025.”

4. Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Receipts and Outlays of the United States Government, For Fiscal Year 2025 Through September 30, 2025, and Other Periods U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Fiscal Service

   “Deficit $1,775 Billion”

5. RECEIPTS BY SOURCE - SUMMARY - Bureau of the Fiscal Service Bureau of the Fiscal Service (U.S. Department of the Treasury) · 31 July 2026

   “Total receipts for the United States Government in fiscal year 2025 were $5,234.6 billion, an increase of 6.4 percent or $316.5 billion above the amount from fiscal year 2024.”

Reasoning

The Treasury Combined Statement puts total FY2025 federal receipts at $5,234.6 billion (E5). The Final Monthly Treasury Statement puts the FY2025 deficit at $1.775 trillion (E1, E4). Adding the two gives outlays of about $7.01 trillion. Receipts and outlays both fall inside the claim's ranges. However, outlays exceeded receipts by about 33.9% ($1,775B ÷ $5,234.6B). That is in the 30–34% band, which the criteria rate as mostly true, not the 35–45% band needed for true.

Cite this claim

Ray Dalio, “The US government takes in about $5 trillion and spends about $7 trillion, about 40% more than it takes in.” (said 9 May 2026). Verdict: mostly true. Reliability API, claim c_4cc5145a5225, method 0.1.0+c876030c. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_4cc5145a5225