ClaimsMark Zuckerberg

“This year, Llama 3 is competitive with the most advanced models and leading in some areas.”

Mark Zuckerberg, Meta CEO, writing on Meta Newsroom 23 July 2024 Open Source AI is the Path Forward (Meta Newsroom)

Factual AI capabilities

In 2024, Llama 3 is competitive with the most advanced models and leading in some areas.

Mostly true True in substance, wrong in a detail.

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What would count as true or false

Judge as of 2024-07-23 (the Llama 3.1 release, including 405B). True: published benchmark results or independent evaluations from that time (e.g. MMLU, GSM8K, HumanEval, LMSYS Chatbot Arena) show Llama 3/3.1's best model scoring close to the leading frontier models of the time (GPT-4o, Claude 3.5 Sonnet, Gemini 1.5 Pro), and ahead of all of them on at least some benchmarks. Mostly true: broadly competitive, but any lead is marginal, comes only from Meta's own reported numbers, or is limited to one or two benchmarks. Mixed: competitive on some major measures but clearly behind on others, with no real lead anywhere. Mostly false: clearly a tier below the leading models on most independent measures, and leading only in narrow or cherry-picked comparisons. False: clearly below the frontier models on essentially all measures, with no area where it leads.

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Evidence (4)

  1. E1 Llama 3.1 405B: the first truly GPT-4 class open model. My benchmark data. | dataku dataku (blog, by an individual author) · 23 July 2024

    “Llama 3.1 405B beats GPT-4 Turbo on 9 of 10. It beats GPT-4o on 3 of 10 (GSM8K, ARC-Challenge, MGSM).”
  2. E2 Llama 3.1 405B: the first truly GPT-4 class open model. My benchmark data. | dataku dataku (blog, by an individual author) · 23 July 2024

    “Against GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet: it's competitive but not quite at parity. The gaps on MMLU (87.3 vs 88.7) and HumanEval (89.0 vs 92.0) are small but real.”
  3. E3 Llama 3.1 405B: the first truly GPT-4 class open model. My benchmark data. | dataku dataku (blog, by an individual author) · 23 July 2024

    “On my evaluation, Llama 3.1 405B (4.05) trails GPT-4o (4.17) and Claude 3.5 Sonnet (4.33).”
  4. E4 AI Visibility & Premium Brand Design | Will Spurlock Will Spurlock (personal/consultancy blog) · 23 July 2024

    “The honest bottom line: Llama 3.1 405B is not uniformly better than GPT-4o. It trails on MATH and GPQA, matches on MMLU and HumanEval, and leads on IFEval.”

Reasoning

One independent blog from the release date calls Llama 3.1 405B competitive with GPT-4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet but not quite at parity [E2], and a second reports it trailing, matching or leading GPT-4o depending on the benchmark [E4]. E1 reports it ahead of GPT-4o on 3 of 10 benchmarks (GSM8K, ARC-Challenge, MGSM), and E4 reports a lead on IFEval. Both also show it slightly behind on other measures: MMLU and HumanEval in E2, MATH and GPQA in E4, and the author's own overall evaluation in E3. The leads reported in the evidence are over GPT-4o, on a few benchmarks [E1][E4], and the evidence does not show the model leading Claude 3.5 Sonnet or Gemini 1.5 Pro on any benchmark, which matches "mostly true" under the criteria rather than "true".

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Mark Zuckerberg, “In 2024, Llama 3 is competitive with the most advanced models and leading in some areas.” (said 23 July 2024). Verdict: mostly true. Reliability API, claim c_851110c128a8, method 0.1.0+3f84d14d, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_851110c128a8

This claim is in dataset release v1.1.2, with the same verdict.

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