ClaimsYann LeCun

“In violation of the law, no services are provided beyond food, water and (very basic) shelter.”

Yann LeCun, on X 9 June 2019 Post by @ylecun on X, 2019-06-09 (X)

Factual Philosophy, ethics and society

In US facilities holding immigrant children, in violation of the law, no services are provided beyond food, water and very basic shelter.

Unresolvable The public record could not settle it.

Factual: Statements about the present or the past, checked against the record: did they hold up?

The second judge would not resolve this claim; the verdict shown is the first judge's.

What would count as true or false

This is judged as of June 2019. True if credible reports from that time (inspector general reports, court filings under the Flores settlement, attorney or monitor visit reports) show that US facilities holding immigrant children provided nothing beyond food, water and very basic shelter, and that this breached legal requirements such as Flores standards on hygiene, medical care, education or recreation. Mostly true if this held at the facilities the claim was about (for example CBP stations such as Clint, Texas) and services were essentially absent apart from minimal exceptions. Mixed if the conditions were documented at some facilities but others, such as ORR shelters providing education and medical care, did provide services, so the claim is only partly right as a general description. Mostly false if the conditions were seriously deficient but services clearly went beyond food, water and shelter, or if no legal violation was established. False if the facilities were shown to provide the services the law requires.

Set before the research began.

Evidence (4)

  1. E1 OIG-19-51 - Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding and Prolonged Detention of Children and Adults in the Rio Grande Valley DHS Office of Inspector General · 2 July 2019

    “For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that “reasonable efforts” be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention.”
  2. E2 OIG-19-51 - Management Alert - DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding and Prolonged Detention of Children and Adults in the Rio Grande Valley DHS Office of Inspector General · 2 July 2019

    “While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals”
  3. E3 Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling' NBC News · 24 June 2019

    “Lawyers who recently visited two Texas facilities holding migrant children described seeing young children and teenagers not being able to shower for days or even weeks, inadequate food, flu outbreaks and prolonged periods of detention.”
  4. E4 Confusion at the Border - FactCheck.org FactCheck.org · 3 July 2019

    “Representatives visited two locations (El Paso Station and Clint Station), where migrants in custody receive three meals a day and have access to clean drinking water.”

Reasoning

The evidence shows children lacked shower access at three of five facilities, measured against TEDS standards, and that facilities supplied formula, diapers, wipes, juice and snacks (E1, E2). It does not show whether TEDS shortfalls amount to a legal violation, or that services such as medical care, education or recreation were provided, so the claim cannot be settled under the criteria.

Cite this claim

Yann LeCun, “In US facilities holding immigrant children, in violation of the law, no services are provided beyond food, water and very basic shelter.” (said 9 June 2019). Verdict: unresolvable. Reliability API, claim c_4c8daf563ef6, method 0.1.0+c876030c, dataset release v1.1.2. https://epistacklabs.com/claims/c_4c8daf563ef6

This claim is in dataset release v1.1.2, with the same verdict.

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